Nabanita De Foundation Returnships Podcast
Nabanita De Foundation Returnships Podcast

Episode 9 · 9 months ago

Transitioning from Stay-at-home Caregiving to Goldman Sachs Returnship with Karima Vishram

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Through this podcast episode, Karima Vishram shares her journey about how she took a career break as a new mom and transitioned to being a stay at home mom and returned to workforce to Goldman Sachs Returnship Program without any finance background, after 3 years of Career break. She now works as a full time engineer at Adobe.

Hear about how she applied, the interview questions, interview process and how she made the transition. Ask her more questions on our Returnships Forum here - https://www.returnships.org/forum/questions-answers/speaker-ask-me-anything-karima-vishram-goldman-sachs-returner

To speak at our podcast, feel free to reach out to us at www.returnships.org

Hello everyone. Thank you so much for coming back to the returnships podcasts. You're listening to returns podcast with no winent a day from the nonprofit initiative returnships. At or. We help people turn to the workforce after they've had a gaping career. We have a free course forum and we also have this podcast through which will basically bringing subject matter of experts to tell their stories and share their experiences of returning to the workforce. Today a specially this is cutty w who actually returned to work after gaping career to government sacks returnship program. So you're so excited to hear from here. So cry my, tell us a little bit about yourself. Hello everybody. So I begin with my educational qualification. I have my MBA with the majors in human resource management and then I came to us and I did my master the Information System. After I graduated, I was working at Cisco as a business analyst on those strategy planning and operations team. I was there for like a couple of years and I had my daughter while I was there, got my maternity break, but when my lead was over and that was actually planning to kind of come back to work I joined and I realized that I was still not ready because my daughter was just like six to seven months old and I thought like that was not enough time that I had with her. Things were just not working out from the works point as well, because, like, my work in minded me to be there, like you know, in office all five days a week, nine to two five, and that was something I thought would not be fair to my daughter if I'm like just gone suddenly, like it of all five days. I did not have much a flexibility. That's where, then, I'd like, you know, I took a pause in my career spend some time with my daughter and after when I thought, like she was almost three years old, and that's when I started feeling that, like, you know, okay, now I'm ready to quick cut back to work, and so is my daughter ready to support me as well. So that's how I ended up at going in sex atrienship program wow, that's quite a journey. Tell us a little bit more on, you know, what kind of struggles you had taking that break and becoming a staythome mom to actually return into the workforce, like what was your thought process or kind of struggles you had, and how did you kind of figured out your back back to work. So yeah, so this was like my first child. So obviously you're like very excited when you have your first child. You want to make sure that everything goes well and you kind of pay a hundred percent attention to your child. But then after a point of time, like you know, when you realize day in day out you're just doing that, then there comes a point and you're like, okay, I now need to be more productive besides just looking after my daughter. Right. So that was the point where it like you know, I started having that conversations with my family. Just to give a background, like you know, we have set up where in my in laws out with me, like you know, they stay with us together and we all to have my liken, brotherin law and his family staying with us. So...

...we are a big family, and that's where we had this conversation. Like you know, I started I shared my feeling with everybody, like you know, okay, I think now I'm getting to a point where and I want to get back to work and I want to give it a shot, and everybody was like very encouraging at home and they were like okay, don't worry, go ahead and we are there to support you, and I think that's like the best part of having like such a big family who were everybody's just there to support you and whatever decisions you take. So that was, I think, a very big motivating point for me. We're in, like you know, I knew, okay, somebody still there to take care of my daughter. So then I started up looking out for positions and I was not quite sure, like you know, after this career break, how would this Slok on my resume and because I think that's one thing which comes to everybody's mind, like you okay, employer is going to look into this and how are they going to judge you? Right? So that played on my mind to then I was like, okay, this is like a fair thing to do. Everyone needs a break in their career and that's what I'm going to like let everybody know whenever an interview happens. That was my priority at that time. But now I feel I'm ready to come back to work. So I started looking out for different opportunities and I think because of my background, like, I was actually having a lot of opportunities, like you know, that I thought I could tap into. So I started applying for different types of positions and one of them was at Goldman Sax, which was in their operations division, and because of my background of information system and operations back in Cisco, so that's well, I applied. I thought, okay, let's give it a try. Then I heard back from them almost after a month, which initially I thought, Oh, can not even like moving to the interview process, but that happened and at that time first thing was I had to record or interview. Was a prerecord and interview and then it was like a zoom interview after that. So at that time I think the struggle was like in a not knowing how confident you are when you're interviewing, because it's like a break of almost three years. You don't know how are you presenting yourself, whether you're telling a story correctly. So those were points that I think my husband's apported a lot. Gave me that confidence and your giving me that push, I would say, like you know, you know you can do it, and that's how when sex happened. That's awesome. I'm so glad that you, you know, have the supportive family. So many people, I feeling, so many listeners who listening might not have support currently, and that's where I reach listeners to either join our returnships members site, where you will have that and you will have no people motivating you on your journey. And I'm not like interesting you mentioned was like how many people around you helped you towards return ships, and I think that's really awesome to have that level of guidance or motivation to continue prive and continue to do amazing work, and that's awesome. So, curry M, tell us a little bit more about the interview process of Goodman Sachs. So what kind of puations that asked or how do you prepare for Jobert Goldman Sachs as a returner? So the application process, I think, was open somewhere in the month of two.

Bore was somewhere. I think. I apply for this because their program runs from January to April, so they have different batches. So that was I think for that batch I was kind of eligible for. So I apply for that online and it took few days for them to get back to me and the emails are, like you it's invitation to kind of have this free recorded interview and before and they had a deadline to kind of record that interview and before that, I think what amazing thing they did was, like, you know, they had this meeting with all the candidates who are a part of this process and they kind of told us, like you know, what kind of questions to expect. How can we prepare, like you know, and present up ourselves in the pre recorded interview, because it side where you you're just talking to like you know, you screen you feel. So I think that was very good and I know that it had just like basic questions. Tell us something about yourself and why did you take a break in your career and why do you want that particular role and how does your skill set prepare you now for this role? So it was like very basic four questions they asked. So I kind of practice that, kind of prepared a script for those four basic questions which I thought I could, like know, really give them the highlights of my career, and that's what I did. I practiced it and once I thought I was ready, I recorded that interview and I send it across and I think it was again after about couple of weeks. Holders. Okay, we interviewing with so insupportson and they had a delay in their process at that time because it was just Thanksgiving and Christmas time, so it was like called a season around. So that took a bit of time to get to that stage, but I was constant following up just to make sure I'm there on the list. And then they had this interview like over zoom, which was like, I think, not very long. It was thirty minutes interview and the interview was very, very good process. The person was very friendly and it told me a bit about the culture on Goldmen's sex and how, like an not trying to gage if I could fit into their culture. I kind of prepared myself, did a lot of the search about goldment sex right, knowing what does the culture or what are they are results, and making sure I kind of know enough about Goldman's sex right. So that's the way I prepared for my interview. That's like so many interesting tips have got him. Myseld was I'm making sure you do follow up after your interviews, like after you're done with that, make sure you check in with the recruiters to see where re application status is. When can you hear back and things like that. Makes sure you have that communication with the employer that you're interested for working for so Karma. I'm in. The question that comes to my mind is, while that you were at Goldman Sax, did you feel the rules that you did get hired for? Is that something that you wanted to continue to do verses? Did you find that that experience kind of molded you into picking up a different rule? But yeah, so when I joined goldment sex I was actually quite nerves because I had no financial background right, so taking up something like this was, like you know, I thought could be challenging, but at the same time I would get to learn something...

...new, which I was very excited about. So that kind of get me going. And once I took up the job, like you know, they explain you what my projects would be and I think I got a wonderful opportunity to learn this data andalytic software, call all tricks, and I actually had to clear and exam also to get that certificate, is valid almost for two years from now. But I think I got to learn many new things while I was in this returnship program which I never thought I would get to learn. And I think the best part was the position was based out in Dallas and I'm in the Pacific Time Zone, so they are kind of two hours ahead of me and that kind of work to my advantage, I would say, at that time, because I could, like it, or take early morning meetings for my daughter was sleeping, and I also had a conversation with my manager letting our no camp coming back. I still have my little one at home and doing her online school, so I will need that flexibility and I kind of set the stage in the beginning itself, and then she knew what my situation was and she was like, okay, don't worry, we are all there to support you, because when the higher returneys, the employers are very well aware that we are coming back to work, so they have this very positive approach towards us where they are there to support you. So my projects were around those kind of things where, you like what I could take early morning meetings and maybe late evening calls and then I would at some time to work after my daughter went off back to speak. So that was the point where you like you know, I saw if I could balance out my work my daughter the home, show that we need to take care of making sure my family is not affected as well, and they were all equally there to support me. Like times when I was on my call. Sometimes my mother in law would feed my daughter, sometimes her aunt would feed her. She had this cousin sister around her to play with. So I think that entire stet up was like a good trial for me to know if I'm ready to get back to work. Yeah, I definitely encourage listeners listening to take a return. Ships especially, is an opportunity you can to test waters as if you really ready to return to workforce. I think, Karima, something that she's just mentioned is communicating with your imply letting them know if you need worktime flexibility, which I think most of the employers in take are more than happy to as long as you know the work that is assigned to you, that is done. That is all they required, like making sure your deliverable sure checked out. And after that, if you do neither, flexibility of either working early hours late hours, as long as the work is and I think it's completely okay to communicate that, hey, I'm going to need this chunk of time off or that chunk of time off and I'm gonna continue to work that way. I think that really would be a great option, especially for, say, at Home Moms who are actually evaluating returning back to workforces something for them. Calima, tell us a little bit more on what kind of training things or what kind of support do you have from Goldman Sachs as a returnee and how was that different from when you were at workforce before you took a gap? So I think the amazing part about I think my...

...point where and I was getting it back to work, was in the middle of a pandemic wherein everything was virtual, right. So that also, I think, worked a lot to my advantage, like you know, very and I didn't have to relocate for just three four months for this twelve week period and I could still be at home in my same setup and do this. And initially, like it was different because they had this almost weak long orientation wherein they kind of gave us all this financial concepts, like means what, and so that was, I think, quite useful to me to get my basics running before I kind of hit the desk and started doing my job. And while I joined on, my manager gave me some good training materials that I could read on and then she gave me some no sessions where you like, she explain to me what the role was, what kind of projects where the efficiency is going need to be brought in. So that was, I think, very amazing. So did you notice any significant change in technologies? Are Changing organizational structures between when you were working versus now? I think earlier companies were never open to having virtual on boarding such, which is like a big switch because of this pandemic that has happened. So I think that was a major change wherein I thought like chnology was actually being used to the maximum, where in your in your home and like you're doing your own boarding, setting at home, doing all the paper was setting at me. So everything was using technology. Signing your Eine and all those things right. Everything was like online, which I have never experienced before. Absolutely pandemic coming in, it has brought an array of innovations where different companies are much more open to worship positions and remote rolls. I think a lot of tech companies have gone completely virtual and they are allowing you to work completely remotely. So it makes it much more easier to if you have that problem of, you know, leaving your house, that's an issue, barrier that is keeping you from returning to the workforce. I think that pandemic kind of solved that by bringing in all these opportunities that would be completely virtual. So Curent know I have I'm the followup question for you. Now that you have gone through the entire returnships program and the entire process of applying for returnships and they're actually getting higher and having a full time job now, is there any advice you want to give to people who are trying to return to the workforce, and is there anything you wish you had back in the day when you will return into the workforce? I think one thing was like like if somebody would have told me what kind of opportunities I should explore, and not holding yourself back. Go Kay, thinking that I don't have an experience on the financial firm, like I did not have, but I still went ahead and lied. So I think the biggest advice I would give a tap whatever opportunity is coming across. Don't hold yourselves back thinking, okay, this might not work out for me. Go through the process, go through the interview where you will learn about the role and then make a decision if that is suitable for you or not.

So I think something different that I wish I had. I think I should have been more confident when I was actually looking out and evaluating my own self. So don't underestimate your such what I would say, like you, you can do it, the fact that you feel your you want to work as something that you can do it and you will be able to deliver. And I think what spoke to me was during our chickens that I would have with my manager, wherein she told me, okay, like, you are on track, you are doing well. She gave me feedback constructor on the good size I was doing. So that also really helped. And at the end, like you know, having a full time offer as well from Goldman Sax was like a very big thing for me. That made sure, okay, I can do it, I'm still lacking work, for I have all that energy, I can put everything back in and I can work like I used to work before. So I think the biggest thing is that mental approach of like having that confidence and not under estimated yourself. Absolutely I completely agree with you. I particularly have seen like women struggle a lot through imposters and grow feeling like whatever roles they're handed they don't deserve at some levels, and I don't know why is that when you are so deserving a there are all these women who are not only returning to work for but are currently working. They feel that on the day to day basis, and I recommend listeners to kind of tune him into your inner energy and believe that you know whatever you doing, what are you working on, you're doing your best and bringing value to your organization and to the people in your life. So believe in yourself. Definitely. So Krenta, tell us a little bit about experience transitioning from a returnship program to a full time job. So what I happened from our returnship was completed and they had a full time offer but, as I mentioned earlier, the position was based in Dallas and they require like a relocation for from my side, like you know, for this whole time offer, and that was something which I thought of me and my family were not ready for and I had to let go that opportunity. And after I let go over opportunity, I again had that, like you know, okay, now what there's a big question mark. I was like, okay, but I think now I have the experience and I was much more confident even when I was applying for full time positions, because that gap is kind of now overcome. Through this returnship program so I think returnship program is definitely a very big advantage and encourage I used to tell her mom, if you can begin your way into back into the career through the returnship program because then employers, no one like you, know you can do it and they have a very positive attitude when they look at you, like you're coming back, so you're all refreshed, you have that energy in you and they see you from that perspective. So when I was returning back, I started applying for watching it is and I noticed the difference. Interview called that we're coming like, of course, convert and not converting. Moving to the next stage is like altogether different thought, I would say, but at least the fact that you're moving into the next round. That was happening much more quickly than it was happening with that career...

...break in my resume. So that, I think, helped a lot. And as I was exploring opportunities, because I'm currently working at adobe as the reporting and data analyst at level three. So that happened and like they never went back even to like, you know, okay, why was their career break? People understand in the stee like in our returnship thing in your resume so you don't have to even hold yourself back thinking why had that career break. So that, I think, was very helpful in applying for full time jobs. So what I'm hearing is you know, like listeners, who do have career breaks and you are holding yourself back. What curem saying is these employers are looking for people who have grapping careers through these programs called returnships, for people who have had a gapping careers at least a year or more, and basically employers are willing to train you, willing to give you all these additional opportunities to explore to the company and even, at the end of the day, if you do well, you also will return offer. So I think which is an amazing experience. If anybody's trying to return to the work for Steg make sure you leverage these returnship opportunities. If you're interested in finding these opportunities, you can also find it on our website, on www dot returnships dot org, and you can go to the jobs and opportunities section, which is a part of our free townships course, and I think you can definitely check out all these different returnship opportunities that does exist. So, Karima, kind of sticking to returnship dot org, like tell us a little bit about how do you think website and initiative like returnships not all, which is a nonprofit initiative helping people return to the workforce after they've had a gap in career? How would that help you if came into your life when you were actually applying and trying to return to the workforce? I think it would have been a big health that of going to several websites and several companies trying to see, like, if they have this returnship opportunity, having that straightforward in front of you, I think saves a lot of time, a lot of energy and knowing right you know, okay, this is what I want and this is where I can apply. So I think have that somebody's like doing it for you listeners, please take advantage of it. Awesome. Thank you so much, Karima, for coming on our podcasts and sharing an amazing experience about Goldman Sex returnships and now that you have an amazing job at I know be so I'm very, very glad you went through this entire journey and you were sharing this journey with the listeners who are listening. If anybody is interested in getting in touch with Karima, you can basically come on our returnship dot org forum. Basically, we will have asked me anything section with Cuddyma and you can basically ask her anything and she will get back to you on that forum. So feel free to go to our website every dog returnship at or sign up for our on our website in the members page and make use of the forum that is there basically to ask wecials to do main level experts that are there on our website. Well. Thank you so much, Karry Ma. Thank you so much. No, many to for having here, and...

I think you're doing a great job by running this and helping women to get back to work and getting them their confidence back. So definitely I think it's a great initiative that you're doing. Decides Your Day job. I think people should. I really appreciate that and they should make use of what they are doing. Thank you so much for having me. That was really great talking to you and yes, I'm available if anybody wants to reach out and talk further. I'm happy to help. I'm happy to be that mental support if you need some, because I haven't gone through that myself, so any time anybody wants to get in touch, my tea with me, I'm happy to help. Thank you so much. Thank you, and listeners who are listening today feel pe to tune in to the returnships podcast again next week and feel free to check out our previous episodes of the returns to podcast, where we have talked to several care givers, reputers, coaches and mentors, sharing their experiences of returning to work force. If you want to talk on our podcast, feel free to reach out to me on the returnship at our page. Thank you, everybody. By Hi.

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