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Transitioning from Stay-at-home Caregiving to Goldman Sachs Returnship with Karima Vishram

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Through this podcast episode, Karima Vishram shares her journey about how she took a career break as a new mom and transitioned to being a stay at home mom and returned to workforce to Goldman Sachs Returnship Program without any finance background, after 3 years of Career break. She now works as a full time engineer at Adobe.

Hear about how she applied, the interview questions, interview process and how she made the transition. Ask her more questions on our Returnships Forum here - https://www.returnships.org/forum/questions-answers/speaker-ask-me-anything-karima-vishram-goldman-sachs-returner

To speak at our podcast, feel free to reach out to us at www.returnships.org

Hello, everyone thank you so much forcoming back to the return ships, podcast you're, listening to return,his podcast with oven ite day and the Non Proper Initiative Petershams an art.We help people return to the work force after they have had a gaped career. Wehave a free course or forum, and we also have this podcast through which webasically bring in subject matter, exports to tell their stories and sharetheir experiences of returning to the workforce. Today I specially this isKarema who actually returned to work after gapin courier to go. An sacksreturns IP programs, so they're so excited to hear from Europe. So curryman tell us a little bit about yourself, hello, everybody so I'll begin it myeducational qualification. I have my MBA with the Majos and human resourcemanagement, and then I came to us and I did my master than information systemafter I graduated I was working at Cisco. As of this, the finalist on tostrategy planning an operations team. I was there for like a couple of years,and I had my daughter while I was there got my modernity break, but when myleave was over and I was actually planning to kind of come back to work,I joined, and I realized that I was still not ready, because my daughterwas just like six to seven months old and I thought like that was not enoughtime that I had with her. Things were just not working out from the mostpoint as well, because, like my work reminded me to be there, like, you knowin office all five days a week, nine to five, and that was something I thought would not be fair to mydaughter. If I'm like just gone suddenly like an O for all five days, Idid not have much of flexibility. That's where then like. Like you know,I took a pause in my career spent some time with my daughter and after when Ithought like she was almost three years old and that's when I started feelingthat, like you know, okay, now I'm ready to quick, get back to work, andso is my daughter ready to support me as well. So that's how I ended up anGodman's agitante program. Well, that's quite a journey. Tell us a little bitmore on! You know what kind of struggles you had eating that break andbecoming a state home mom to actually returning to the work force like whatwas your thought process? What kind of struggles you had and how did you kindof figure out your back back to old, so yeah, so this was like my firstchild so obviously were like very excited. When you have your first child,you want to make sure that everything goes well and you kind of pay a hundredpercent attention to your child. But then, after a point of time, like youknow, when you realize they in day out you're just doing that, then therecomes a point and you're like okay. I now need to be more productive, besidesjust looking after my daughter right. So that was the point where I like youknow. I started having that conversations with my family. Just togive a background, like you know we have set up were in my in laws are withme like you know they stay with us together, and we also have my like nobrother in law and his family is...

...staying with us. So we are a big familyand that's where we had this conversation. Like you know, I started.I shared my feeling with everybody. Like you know, okay, I think now I'mgetting to a point where in I want to get back to work, and I want to give ita shot and everybody was like very encouraging at home and they were likeokay tod way go ahead and get there to support you, and I think, that's likethe best part of having like such a big family who, where everybody is justthere to support you and whatever decisions you take. So that was, Ithink, a very big motivating point for me were in. Like you know, I knew, oris somebody still there to take care of my daughter? So then I started uplooking off a position and I was not quite sure, like you know, after thiscareer break. How would this loke on my resume, because I think that's onething which comes to everybody's mind, like you know: Okay, employers going tolook into this, and how are they going to judge you right so that played on mymind too then I was like okay. This is like a fair thing to do. Everyone needsa break in Gar career and that's what I'm going to like. Let everybody knowwhenever an interval happens at was my priority at that time, but now I feelI'm ready to come back to work, so I started looking out for differentopportunities and I think because of my background, like I was actually havinga lot of opportunities like around that I thought I could have in to so. Istarted applying for different types of positions, and one of them was atGoldman sags, which was in their operations division and because of mybackground of information system and operations back in Cisco. So that'swhere I applied. I thought: okay, let's give it a try, then I heard back fromthem almost after a month which initially I thought: okay, I'm not evenlike moving to the interview process, but that happened and at that timefirst thing was. I had to record or interview was a pre record, aninterview, and then it was like a zoom interview after that. So at that time Ithink the struggle was like a not knowing how confident you are when youare interviewing, because it's like a break of almost three years. You don'tknow how are you presenting yourself whether you're telling your storycorrectly, so those were points that I think my husband supported. A lot gavein that confidence and you was giving me that push, I would say like you know,you know you can do it and that's how we when tex happened. Well, that'sawesome, I'm so glad with you. You now have the supportive family, so manypipe, I feel like some listener to listening, might not have t currentlyand that's what I reach listeners to either join our townships member sitewhere you will have the Suord and you will have you know, people motivatingyou on your journey and I'm the like interesting, you mentioned was like howher people around you helped you towards returns ips, and I think that'sreally awesome to have the devil of guidance or motivation to continue fiveand continue to do amazing work and that's awesome. So ferryman tell us alittle bit more about the interview process of Gorman Sacks. What kind ofquestions were asked or how do you prepare for job at Gorman sacks as areturner, so the application process, I...

...think, was open somewhere in the monthof to Bor while somewhere. I think I applied for this because their programruns from January to April, so they have different batches. So that was Ithink, for that badge. I was kind of eligible for so I apply for that onlineand it took a few days for them to get back to me and the email said, like anI say, invitation to kind of have this pre recorded interview and before, andthey had a deadline to kind of record that interview and before that, I thinkwhat amazing thing that that was like you know they had this s of meetingwith all the candidates who were a part of this process and they kind of toldus, like you know what kind of persions to expect. How can we prepare, like you,know and present a thesselves in the pre recorded interview, because it'slike very weird you're just talking to like you know your screen, you feel so.I think that was very good and, like you, O the it had just like basicquestions. Tell us something about yourself, and why did you take a breakin your career and why do you want that particular role? And how does yourskill set prepare you now for this role, so it was like very basic fourquestions. They asked so I kind of practiced back and of the plan of Scripfor those four basic questions which I thought I could like now really givethem the highlights of my career and that's what I did. I practiced it andonce I thought I was ready, I recorded that interview and I send it across,and I think it was again after about a couple of weeks: Ollers. Okay, we areinterviewing with so and so person and they had a delay in the or process atthat time, because it was just Thanksgiving and Christmas time. So itwas the calder season around so that took a bit of time to get to that stage,but I was constant following up just to make sure I'm there on their list andthen they had this interview like over doom, which was like, I think not verylong. It was thirty minutes interview and the interview was very, very goodprocessed. The person was very friendly and he told me a bit about the cultureof government sags and how like you're, not trying to gage if I could fed intothe air culture I kind of prepared myself did a lot of research aboutgovernment sex right. Knowing what does the culture? What are they are orresults and making sure I kind of know enough about wormen sex right. Sothat's the way I prepared for my interview. Oh that's like so manyinteresting tips, a caimanes I make sure you do follow up after yourinterviews like after you're done with that, make sure you check in with theecutors, to see what your application state says. When can you hear back andthings like that, make sure you have that communication with the employerthat you're interested from working for so Karema? Another question that comesto my mind this. While that you were a good, an sack, did you feel the rulesthat you did get hired for? Is that something that you wanted to continueto do worses? Did you find that that experience kind of molded you intopicking up a different role yeah? So when I joined Goldman Sex, Iwas actually quite nervous because I had no financial background right sotaking up something like this was like an I thought could be challenging, butat the same time I would get to learn...

...something new which I was very excitedabout. So that kind of get me going and once I took up the job like, I knowthey explain you what my projects would be, and I think I got a wonderfulopportunity to learn this data anentis offar call all trick and I actually hadto clear an exam also to get that certificate just value almost for twoyears for now, but I think I got to learn many new things. While I was inthis returns, hip Programmee, I never thought I would get to Lon and I thinkthe best part was the opposition was based out in Dallas and I am in thePacific Times on, so they are kind of two hours ahead of me and that kind ofwalked to my advantage. I would say that time because I could, like you nowtake early morning meeting for my daughter was sleeping, and I also hadthat conversation with my manager, letting her know. Okay, I'm coming back.I still have my little one at home, I'm doing her online school, so I will needthat flexibility and I kind of set the stage in the bringing itself and thenshe knew what my situation was and she was like. Okay, don't worry? We are allthere to support you, because when the higher returnes, the employers are verywell aware that we are coming back to work. So they have this very positiveapproach towards us. While they are there to support you. So my projectswere around those kind of things where I like what I could take ally morningmeetings and maybe late evening, calls and then I would at some time to workafter my daughter went off back to speak. So that was the point where Ilike you know. I saw if I could balance out my word. My daughter, the home,shows that we need to take care of making sure my family is not affectedas well, and they were all equally there to support me like times when Iwas on my call. Sometimes my mother in law would feed my daughter. Sometimesher aunt would feed her. She had this her cousin sister around her to playwith, so I think that entire set up was like a good trial for me to know. IfI'm ready to get back to work, I definitely encourage listenerslistening to take up return ships, especially as an opportunity for goingto test waters as if you're really ready to return to work force. I thinkKarema is something that she's just mentioned is communicating with youremployer, letting them know if you need part time. Flexibility which I thinkmost of the employers in take are more than happy to as long as you know theword that is assigned to you that is done. That is all they required, likemaking sure you deliverable suject out and after that. If you do need theTexit of wither working on Le or a late tears as long as the work is- and Ithink it's completely okay- to communicate that Hey, I'm going to needthis chunk of time off for that chunk of time off and I'm gonna continue towork. That way. I think that really would be a great option, especially forthe at home moms, who are actually evaluating returning back to workforces. Something for them. Carimon tell us a little bit more on what kindof trailings or what kind of support did you have from Goldman sacks as aretorne and how was a different from when you were at work force before youtook a gap, so I think the amazing part...

...about H T. I think my point wherein Iwas getting it back to work- was in the middle of a pandemic, whereineverything was virtual right. So that also, I think, worked a lot to myadvantage, like you know, were- and I didn't have to relocate for just threefour months for this twelve week period and I could still be at home in my samesetup and do this and initially like it was different because they had thisalmost week, long orientation, wherein they kind of gave us all this financialconcept. Like means war, and so that was, I think, quite useful to me to getmy basics running before I kind of pit the desk and started doing my job andwhile I joined my manager gave me some good training materials that I couldread on, and then she gave me some no sessions where, like she explained tome what the hoal was, what kind of projects where the efficiencies we needto be brought in. So that was, I think, very amazing. So did you notice anysignificant change in technologies or changing organizational stacte betweenwhen you were working horses now, I think earlier or companies were neveropen to having virtual on boarding sect, which is like a big switch because ofthis pandemic. That has happened, so I think that was a major Chan were in. Ithought, Licole was actually being used to the maximum where in you're in yourhome and like you're, doing your own boarding sitting at home doing all thepaper one sitting at so everything was using technology shining or I nine andall those things right. Everything was like online, which I have neverexperienced before absolutely pandemic. Coming in. It has brought an area ofinnovations. Well, different companies are much more open to worship,positions and remote roles. I think a lot of their companies have gonecompletely virtual and they're, allowing you to welcome to so remotelyso it makes it much more easier to if you have that problem of you knowleaving your house if that's an issue barrier that is keeping you fromreturning to the workforce. I think that Panawe kind of solved that, bybringing in all these opportunities that would become pletely virtual, socarena. I have under followed question for you now that we have gone throughthe entire returns IPS program and the entire prossess applying for thetownships and then actually getting higher and having a full time job nowis there in the advice you want to give to people who are trying to return tothe workforce, and is there anything you wish you had back in the day whenyou will return into the workforce? I think one thing was like like an ifsomebody would have told me what kind of opportunities I should explore andnot holding yourself bag okill. Thinking that I don't have anexperience in a financial firm like I did not have, but I still went aheadand plied, so I think the biggest advice I would give a tap whateveropportunities coming across town hold yourselves back thinking. Okay, thismight not work out for me. Go through the process, go through the interviewwhere you will learn about the role and then make a decision if that issuitable for you or not, so I think...

...something different that I wish I had.I think I should have been more confident when I was actually lookingout and evaluating my own self. So don't underestimate of that's what Iwould say like you, you can do it. The fact that you feel, or you want to workis something that you can do it and you will be able to deliver, and I thinkwhat spoke to me was during a check and said I would have with my manager whenshe told me. Okay, like you, are on Tri, you are doing well. She gave mefeedback constructive on the good size I was doing so that also really helpedand at the end, like you know, having a full time offer as well from Goldmansize was like a very big thing for me. That made sure. Okay, I can do it. I'mstill liking work forte. I have all that energy and I can put everythingback in and I can work like I used to work before so I think the biggestthing is that mental approach of like having that confidence and not underestimating yourself absolutely. I completely agree with you. Iparticularly have seen like women struggle a lot through impostors andrun feeling light. Whatever rose their handed, they don't deserve a at somelevel, and I don't know. Why is that when you are so deserving and they areall these women who are not only returning to work forts but arecurrently working, they feel that on a day to day basis- and I recommendlisteners to kind of tune and into your inner energy and believe that you knowwhatever you doing whatever you're working on you're doing your best andbringing value to your organization and to the people in your life so believein yourself. Definitely so coronet tell us a little bit about experience,transitioning from a returns IP program to a full time job. So what hadhappened after my retorn ship was completed and they had a full timeoffer. But, as I mentioned earlier, the position was based in Dallas and theyrequired like a relocation for from my side, like you know, for this full timeoffer, and that was something which I thought out me and my family were notready for and I had to. Let go of her opportunity and after I let go otheropportunity. I again had that, like you Kokan now what he was a big questionmark, I was like okay, but I think now I have the experience and I was muchmore confident, even when I was applying for full time positions,because that gap was kind of now overcome through this retorn hipprogram. So I think, return. Hip Program is definitely a very bigadvantage, encourage an you still at home mom. If you can begin your wayinto back into the career through the returns Ip program because then employsno one like you know, you can do it and they have a very positive attitude whenthey look at you like you're, coming back so you're all differest. You havethat energy in you and to see you from that perspective. So when I wasreturning back, I started applying for opportunities and I noticed thedifference in ter. We calls that were coming like, of course, comwades. Notconverting moving to the next page is like a all to get a different thought.I would say, but at least the fact that you are moving into the next round,that was happening much more quickly...

...than it was happening with that careergreat in my resume, so that I think helped a lot and as I was exploringopportunities, because I'm currently working at adobe as a reporting anddata analyst at level three, so that happened and like they never went backeven to like you know, okay, why was their career break people,understanding the tea like on no Eterni thing in your resumed? So you don'thave to even hold yourself back thinking. Why? How that call your breakso that I think, was very helpful in applying for full time jobs. So whatI'm hearing is you know like listeners who do have career breaks and you areholding yourself back what curii seeing is these employers are looking forpeople who have gapin careers through these programs called retorn ships forpeople who have had a gap in career at least a year or more, and basically,employers are willing to train your willing to give you all these. Iadditional opportunities to explode to the company and even at the end of theday, if you do well, you also do return offer. So I think this is an amazingexperience. If anybody is trying to return to the work for sigma sure youlive it as these returns Ip opportunities. If you're interested infinding this opportunities, you can also find it on our website on. Wereturns ips that are, and you can go to the jobs and opportunity section, whichis a part of our free township scores, and I think you can definitely checkout all these different retorn opportunities that does exist so Garimakind of sticking to returns, ips ot art like tell us a little bit about how doyou think website and an initiative like a retorsio on which is a nonprofit initiative, helping people return to the workforce after they havehad a gap in career? How would that help you? If came into your life, whenyou were actually applying and trying to return to the workforce? I think itwould have been a big health of going to several websites and severalcompanies trying to see like if they have this retains Ip opportunity.Having that Straightforward Inn Front of you, I think, saves a lot of time, alot of energy and knowing right, you know, okay, this is what I want, andthis is where I can apply, so I think have that somebody's like doing it, foryou listeners least take advantage of it awesome. Thank you so much CarimaPon, coming on our podcast and sharing an amazing experience about omens,retorsio and now that you have an amazing job, and I do be so, I'm very,very glad you went through the entire journey and you were sharing thisjourney with the listeners for listening. If anybody is interested ingetting in touch with Carima, you can basically come on a return shot thatArk for Um. Basically, we will have to ask me anything section with Carima canbasically ask anything and she will get back to you on that forearm so fealtyto go to our website as EPEANS IP at aunt sign up for e on our website onthe members page and make use of the forum. That is there basically to askquestions to do man level, experts that are there on our website. The thank youso much Carima. Thank you so much...

...nomato or having here, and I think youare doing a great job by running their sign or helping women to get back towork and getting them their confidence back. So definitely, I think it's it'sa great initiative that you're doing besides your day, job. I think peopleshould do. I R really appreciate that and and they should make use of whatthat doing time you so much for having me. It was really great talking to youand yes, I'm available. If anybody wants to reach out and talk further,I'm happy to help I'm happy to be that mental support. If you need so becauseI have gone through that myself, so any time anybody wants to get in touch mentwith me, I'm happy to help. Thank you so much. Thank you so listeners who arelistening today, we pete UN in to the return ships podcast again next weekand since we recious or previous episodes of the returnes podcast whenwe have talked to several of C givers, refuters coaches and mentors sharingtheir experiences of returning to work force. If you want to do on our podcastpeaver to reach out to me on the return ships at our page. Thank you. Everybodyby.

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